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Volume 2
Issue 8

The Fish Bowl

21st, 2000

"A Distorted View Of Our Little World"


  • General News (p1)
  • Schedule (p1)
  • Member List (p1)
  • Roleplaying (p2)
  • HQ News (p3)


Matt Dellamano
Kendra Kuhl
Scott Kuhl
Kenny Kuhn
DJ Pratt
Michelle Sharpe
Jason Wakefield
Dave Wilson

Jeremy Booth
Sunday Moulton
Nick Pashia
Steve Walkup
Charles Williams


Scott R. Kuhl



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Monday Night Launch

This Monday marks the launch of our second group. So once again Iíll try to get these groups coordinated. Most of you know we have had a difficult time getting the second group going but it looks like it is finally going to happen.

The new groups are:

Monday Night 5:45-9:45

Kenny Kuhn (Judge), Nick Pashia, DJ Pratt, Michelle Sharpe (Judge), Steve Walkup, Charles Williams

Thursday Night 5:45-9:45

Jeremy Booth, Matt Dellamano, Kendra Kuhl, Scott Kuhl (Classic Judge), Sunday Moulton, Jason Wakefield, Dave Wilson (LC Judge)

Newsletter New Look

You have probably noticed, unless youíre blind, that the newsletter has a new look. The old look was pretty boring and I have decided to make it a little fresher in hopes that more of you will read it! I admit the old way wasnít the best so I hope all of you like this one better. Some big changes besides the look will be more content instead of links and more member input. I want to here from you guys. Whatever you want to put in here (thatís appropriate) is welcome and appreciated. To submit anything for publication email me at: What we could really use is artwork for both the newsletter and the web site. A logo would be great.

Calling All Guild Members

This week I will be sending off our Club application. Two big benefits that will come with this are playing in team competitions at conventions and play testing pre-release TSR material. You will only be able to participate in these events if you are Guild Level. For those of you who donít know Guild Level membership is $20 per year and comes with quite a few perks of itís own. Including a free module and a subscription to Polyhedron magazine.


Rumors - Classic Tournament

This classic tournament is set in Dragonlance and is a preview of Rise of the Titans. We will be playing using the AD&D second edition rules, not the Saga System.

Thursday, Feb 24th 5:45-9:45

Judge - Scott Kuhl

Players - Jeremy Booth, Matt Dellamano, Kendra Kuhl, Sunday Moulton, Jason Wakefield, Dave Wilson

Monday, Feb 28th 5:45-9:45

Judge - Robert Frazier

Players - Kenny Kuhn, Nick Pashia, DJ Pratt, Michelle Sharpe, Steve Walkup, Charles Williams 

Volume 2, Issue 8, February 21st, 2000

The Fish Bowl


When People Get Left Out

By Eric Benner

Hello and welcome back to part two of a three-part series about what happens when there are too many players and what, exactly, we can do about it. As I stated last time, of course, not all of this will apply to every gaming group. Itís really a blessing in disguise to have too many players Ė it means, at least, that you donít have too few.


I remember a time when my gaming group, going on eight years now, had at best three players and a DM, and organizing games between us was incredibly frustrating for said DM. Later, when we had the chance to acquire new players, we did so vehemently and immediately, and added too many, too fast. All this is to suggest that even if you donít have a huge gaming group now, you may eventually. Also, the situations as I am about to illustrate donít only occur when there are large numbers of people playing together. It could happen to any group, as youíll see why. With that in mind, onward to part two.

As I touched on but never elaborated on in last weekís article, when you have too many people playing in a game (and exactly how many people that is varies), one of two things will happen Ė either chaos will rule, or people will be left out. This week, Iíll be covering the latter, and next week, the former, as well as what to do about it.

The fact of the matter is, when you have too many people, in any situation, not everyone will get a chance to speak. I donít care if itís a classroom, a jury, a business meeting, or just a night at the bar Ė add more than maybe four people into any mix and you get some kind of confusion. When everyone pushes to get their say, you get chaos. Worse, though, in my opinion Ė when some people force their say, other more shy or quiet people lose out, and only some people get the benefit of having the floor. Both situations have come up many times before in my gaming group.

I think, though, that from just an ethical standpoint, the second situation is far worse. It just really doesnít seem fair to allow certain people to take all the time and attention for themselves.

Right off the bat, I have to admit that Iím a type A personality, something of a go- getter. Unless I really donít care, I almost always have something to say about just about anything inside of a D&D game. And in that sense, I contribute to the problem as much as anyone else. I do, however, try to keep conscious of other people, and I hope thatís enough on my part. Of course, it isnít.

Itís not fair that some people should gain more than others, especially if itís just because of their personality. In most of those real-life situations I illustrated above, Iíd say "tough luck." If you donít want to talk in a meeting, thatís your business. If youíre perceived as lacking initiative later on, thatís your problem. But gaming is about friendship and camaraderie, and to leave some players to the wolves (the other, more aggressive players) is unfair. We all game to have fun. In theory, not only for us, but for everyone to have fun. When you have too many people, though, some lose out, and almost invariably the quieter people will lose out proportionally more.

There are a few things that can help to remedy this situation, but only one of which can really make a difference. Basically, the aggressive players have to hold off. A deliberate effort must be made to accommodate the shyer players, to ask them about their take on a situation, what theyíre doing this round, do they want this magical item, et cetera. When you have a chaotic, populous situation, to assume

that their silence implies their indifference is unfair.

Most players, though, donít seem to care. They either get too wrapped up in their own characters or they really donít care on any level. So in some cases, itís up to the DM. I know that personally, if my DM asked a player, "what do you think about this?" my response would be, "which NPC is asking him/her that?"

There are other things that can be done. A lot of them just involve not eating up all the time yourself. If one character Ė and this applies even in a game with a perfect amount of players Ė is constantly performing actions, especially actions which further his character more than the story-line, then you have a situation where one selfish person is taking away time from everyone else. This has come up on more than one occasion in my home game, and in one instance, the player was eventually asked to leave because it got so bad. But thatís really a topic for next week.

In closing, please take the time when youíre playing to ensure that everyoneís getting a chance to contribute, not just those with the loudest mouths. Itíll pay dividends in the end, as no game is more fun than the one in which every person present has a good time.

The Wizard of Id

By Brant Parker and Johnny Hart

Volume 2, Issue 8, February 21st, 2000

The Fish Bowl


Club Decathalon

The Monster Mash creation instructions are up. Clubs can create monsters for a big battle royale at Gen Con this summer. The concept of Monster Mash is to create a monster or several monsters within clubs using a uniform set of rules. Each Clubís best monster (determined by vote, or by a ladder style tournament) will then go on to battle other clubsí winners in a single elimination tournament set up at the GEN CON Game Fair. Between rounds of the GEN CON tournament, monsters will be completely rested, and able to use all special abilities in the next round. Any qualifying tournaments run by clubs should follow the same format.

For more information see Wizards of the Coast web site at: rpga/clubs_decathlon_mash.asp

Hagar The Horrible

By Chris Browne